Talking with Tulip Sweet Part 2
Continued from “Talking with Tulip Sweet Part 1”
These dark tongue-in-cheek love songs you write are very funny, but what keeps me coming back, and I think what keeps a lot of people coming back is that ultimately it rings true: we can all relate to these ridiculous feelings you write about. So, when youre writing your songs, are you laughing at yourself or are you trying to tap into something more honest?
Steph: We go through this world crying when we should be laughing and laughing when we should be crying. We live in a world where people drive in their cars on the freeway with billboards next to that freeway with advertisements for coffins. What can you do?
Tom: Pedestrians jump out from in between cars concentrating on a piece of fried chicken.
Steph: What can you do? You just gotta keep on laughing.
Tom: And crying.
Steph: And crying.
Tom: No, theyre serious; these songs are all serious, I would have to say, because when were writing them, were not trying to write comedy at all.
Steph: I mean, what makes anything funny but the fact that its true–
Tom: Its true and its uncomfortable so you have to laugh.
Steph: I try to not laugh.
Tom: I dont laugh.
Steph: Sometimes I just want to frown so hard I think Im gonna end up in the ground.
Tom: I do our whole set and I dont laugh ever hardly. Its not even funny anymore.
With all your antics and non-sequitur banter between songs, onstage costume changes, handmade squirrels and other absurd props, your performance can seem a little bit like a circus act. But your buffoonery does more than simply entertain, it shines a sympathetic spotlight onto all the dark and pathetic corners of the psyche the rest of us are too embarrassed to put on parade in front of an audience of strangers. I think what gives your work its power, and the real source of the comedy is that youre not afraid to be identified with the things people are laughing at.
Steph: Well, I think especially in New York, people are such pussies. Theyre so afraid. Theyre just conformist pussies. Theyre so afraid–
Tom: New York?
Steph: Yeah, theyre walking around with giant
Tom: How about the world?
Steph: Okay, the world. People in the world are walking around with giant billboard clothing on themselves that says Nike or Adidas and I like this and I like that and–
Tom: –because even France they were that way.
Steph: –theyre fucking nasty and I hate them. I hate everyone.
Tom: Even in France.
Steph: I hate everyone, even in France.
Tom: Its true. We went to France and it wasnt any better.
Steph: Everyones a puss the whole world over. And in France theyre even worse because not only are they pusses: theyre content pusses, and the reason why they dont rock n roll in France is cause all they do is eat cheese and drink wine and you cant turn around without [someone] offering you some more fucking food and wine and theyre sitting on their asses being comfortable and then theyre gonna go jerk off and have sex and look at the trees and eat some fucking shit and they cant
Tom: They dont work enough.
Steph: They dont suffer.
Tom: They dont work enough.
Steph: They dont suffer.
Tom: They need more factories.
Steph: They dont do the dirty work in France. They dont do the dirty work.
Tom: They did record the Dirty Work in France though.
Steph: Did they?
Tom: They recorded the Dirty Work in France.
Steph: Thats hilarious. The Rolling Stones album Dirty Work, best known as their worst album.
I havent heard that one.
Tom: They started it in France.
Steph: Yeah, that started in France. Thats why.
So you guys play a lot of music venues. Will this be the first time you play a more theatrical venue?
Steph: No way, Jose!
Tom: No, weve been mixed up with that business forever.
Steph: We opened for Yoko Ono man, but she wasnt there.
Tom: We played with Yoko
Steph: Yoko, Jim Carroll.
Tom: Jim Carroll.
Steph: What other artists?
Tom: Whats her name, that vampire girl, remember? At Ground Zero.
Steph: Oh, Exene Cervenka and Lydia Lunch.
Tom: Were always in with those people, but they dont know us.
Steph: Theyre confused by us just as everyone else is.
Tom: They think that they think people are pussies, but–
Steph: But theyre pussies too.
Tom: –but theyre also part of the people that were talking about.
Steph: Did you know that Antonio Banderas is gonna play Puss n Boots?
So whats with the squirrels?
Steph: I dont know–
Tom: I wouldnt mention the squirrels if I was you. You dont want it to get out of hand.
Steph: –just something I like.
What do you like about them?
Steph: Theyre feisty. They store things away. But see, now its been ruined by the White Stripes, so dont even mention it, because he does that song–
Tom: Its out of hand.
Steph: Its already been destroyed.
Tom: Its out of hand.
Steph: The squirrel things been destroyed.
This is cheesy, but do you know Desert Island Discs?
They shake their heads.
You know, youre trapped on a desert island and you have five records you can bring with you.
Steph: Lou Reed: Take No Prisoners, Growing up in Public.
Tom: Leon Russel: Carnie.
Steph: Neil Young: On the Beach.
Tom: Wow, this is a whole worm can. Neil Young On the Beach really?
Steph: Yeah, I love that album
Tom: The Strokes. The new Strokes album. Not the first one; the new one. Kick ass, totally kick ass. Top that!
Steph: [The] Vitamen.
Tom: Yeah.
Steph: I like that album.
Tom: Bob Dylan Live at Budokan.
Steph: No, no. Royal Hall, [Live at] Royal Albert Hall.
Tom: No. Live at Budokan. Wed have to live on different islands for sure.
Steph: Yeah, Id beat you up.
Later on in the evening, after a second set and a few more rounds, Steph summed up her feelings about life and music:
Steph: Im not Nick Cave. I mean theres a place for Nick Cave in the world, but everyone cant be Nick Cave. Everyone feels heavy-hearted right now because of all the shit going on and everyone feels like its the end of the world, and it probably is, but why waste your last days being sad and upset?
Tulip Sweet and her Trail of Tears will be playing the premier of Schoolhouse Roxx on Saturday March 6th with Becky and Noelle, Organatron, Kate Brehm, Oh De Twirlette, and Parade, hosted by Becky Yamamoto. Doors open at 10pm, show starts at 11pm. Tickets $7.
For more information on Tulip Sweet and her Trail of Tears, go to http://www.tulipsweet.com.
For more information on Schoolhouse Roxx, go to http://www.ps122.org/sroxx.